Comments on: Can Ray Comfort really prove God exists?

By: Charles Gillihan

Charles Gillihan — Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:55:36 +0000

I believe Ray Comfort is correct in that God exists, but his ‘proof’ of God is only acceptable within a Christian worldview. A non-Christian or humanistic worldview will only allow certain types of evidences. In other words, both are conditioned with their own sets of axioms and ultimate presuppositions. The proof of God is that without God, there is no coherence to reality. Laws of logic, uniformity of natural law, and ethics cannot be accounted for. Without an absolute and universally binding source, they are non-foundational, but we know they are necessary to coherence in reality.

By: Lynn burgess

Lynn burgess — Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:21:28 +0000

Lighten up people. He’s using humor. I’m quite sure he doesn’t truly believe that he proved God’s existence in this way. He’s a comedian/evangilist. That’s what he does.

By: Anthony

Anthony — Tue, 12 May 2009 18:26:03 +0000

Ok you guys havnt seen the full clip and what Ray is trying to explain, before he talks about the banana he says, “millions of years ago there was a puddle of brown sugary liquid, and after another million year it started to form a can and a lid and tab to open it. And there you go the first coca cola ever” of course he’s being sarcastic. But wat hes saying is that, that its stupid to say pop evolved obviosly people created it, but it has some of the same properties of a banana, the banana has a peel like the outside of a can, it has a tab to open the banana, same type of thing.

By: Rowan

Rowan — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:43:16 +0000

Hi. I’m an atheist.
I enjoy reading Ray Comfort’s blog very much, and was interested to see a debate involving him and Kirk Cameron.
I’m afraid the simple truth is that Ray Comfort is a highly mendacious person, and a discredit to intellectually honest Christians everywhere.
The flaws in his arguments have been pointed out on many occasions, and he completely disregards those criticisms. He misrepresents science, atheism and all other branches of religion, including Christianity, that are not his own particular denomination.
He has a superficially polite manner that masks a serious passive-aggressiveness and superiority complex.
I’m afraid that this manner of his often works to provoke opponents into insulting him by calling him an idiot. He’s not an idiot; he’s an extremely clever provocateur and manipulator. However, it’s worth taking note of the people who are willing to critique his arguments reasonably. Here is what I think is the best example:

http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=The_Beauty_of_a_Broken_Spirit%E2%80%94Atheism_%28Way_of_the_Master%29

It is possible that God exists and that Ray’s version of Christianity is true (to clarify: atheists generally define themselves as people who lack belief in religion, and therefore can list God’s existence as one of the many things that are possible but they don’t believe are true).

However, true or not, this does not change the fact that Ray Comfort misrepresents the truth, wilfully and repeatedly.

Thank you.

By: RRRRyan

RRRRyan — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 01:24:53 +0000

VERY GOOD POST! God is not glorified by the naivety of man. He is glorified by their faith despite His invisibility. Naive head nodding may produce the appearance of obedience but to truly “lose one’s life” to find it comes from faith that trumps all natural laws…not naivety. If God trumps natural laws than He himself is outside of those laws and those laws will never disprove Him. They certainly would not prove Him either because they simply become irrelevant.

When Jesus mentions casting a mountain into the sea he was explaining that a little faith trumps natural law. Not that we should expect to see mountains jumping into the sea. Obviously such a thing would undermine faith, because once it has been seen it would no longer require faith to accept. Therefore such a thing would not happen since faith is what really glorifies God, not moving a few atoms from one place to another. There is plenty of that happening every day all around us that most folks just ignore anyway. So what if Everest flips upside down? Did you see that giant fireball burning in the sky this morning? That was amazing!

The big bang theory is a very popular theory but it does nothing AT ALL to satisfy origin. Even if all the matter in the universe is squeezed into a space the size of a pencil point, or atom, or even if it was in a bread box, it still exists and its moment of origin, that moment when it went from nothing to something, is completely unexplained. In fact, the theory does nothing at all but change the universe’s location. Yes, atheistic scientists have to make the same leap of faith as a theistic scientist (and we are all scientists). They just leap in the opposite direction.

I see a spiritual law at work. If, as the Bible claims, we are spiritual beings our final decision to this question would ultimately be based on the condition of our spirit. Despite all the thinking and debating this is not a decision for our gray matter, it’s a decision of our spirit. In fact I believe that at any given moment whether a person claims with their mouth to believe God or not it means very little to what they will ultimately settle on as the condition of their spirit is revealed. If faith without deeds is dead, then the opposite is probably true, from true faith comes true deeds. The kind of deeds that are rooted in the will of God and endorsed by Him. The kind of deeds that may even look like miserable failures from a logical perspective, maybe even resulting in the death of the one involved. Maybe even death on a cross…. Those kinds of deeds change the world in supernatural ways. Supernatural because they do even more for the condition of our spirit than they do for our flesh. To God, it is the human spirit that matters. To gray matter, it is always about the flesh.

How many atheistic scientists would change their tune if I were to command Everest to flip upside down and it happened the moment I proclaimed it? Would that change of tune really mean any change has occurred in their spirit? I believe no. Therefore there is no more point in flipping Everest upside down than there would have been for the rich man from Jesus’ parable to return from the dead. Jesus’ miracles prepared the world to witness (and know) the ultimate miracle. His suffering, death, and resurrection so that tax collectors, prostitutes, and the rest of us who are unholy sinners would be free from the wages of sin which is death. The condition of our spirit is changed (because the sins of the flesh can no longer condemn our spirit) and ultimately everything we do after the moment that Jesus’ blood redeems us. Faith bears fruit, fruit that lasts, whether we get to see it in our lifetime or not bears little relevance other than experimental testability which again only undermines faith.

The Gospel is the most important truth science will ever discover

By: Solomon

Solomon — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 14:18:00 +0000

Dear Joshua Sowin

During the brief moment that I looked at your web page, I was overfilled with grief and depression.As christians we are very good at killing our own.Why is it you make an effort to put another servant of Christ down.Ray Comfort even though I do not know him personally, I know that he is a true servant of God. He provides materials and information to Christians so that we can defend the faith.Even though the evidence is not as deep or as sound as you would like. Why is it that you would make an effort to put him down?I am sure he is pleasing his father in heven for he is being a good and faithful servant. But yet people like you who do not show love to this brother and his work, instead of supporting him you are putting him down.You sir should be ashamed.I hope you change.

P.s I am only 21 but I can tell that what you have done is not out of love.

By: philo

philo — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:05:27 +0000

Cameron and Comfort failed entirely and necessarily for the simple reason that if there are two worlds, natural and supernatural, the complexity or organization of the visible, natural world can tell us nothing about an invisible, supernatural one.

For those who believe that it does, it is simply a presupposition of belief (e.g., those who quote religious texts to prove their point).

As for Ethics, all the rationalists had to do was to point to thousands of years of Confucianist society in China or, for that matter, to the foundation of U.S. political philosophy which, at best, might be “Deist.” But being a “Deist” in the 18th century was alike to being an agnostic today or even an atheist.

By: 7th Knight

7th Knight — Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:13:49 +0000

In responce to your article;

Well, I’m a Christian and I’m not excited about the debate. I’m not excited because I don’t think it’s possible for to “prove God” without talking about faith.

Faith is the only way to God, I know from experience.

Like Professor Richard Dawkins I set out to find the truth about God, but unlike him, I found it.

Everything Richard says about the historical aspects of man, his religion, his politics etc, is true,yet he overlooked one important part of the equation; he forgot about God.

Trust me, I have travelled the same pathway as the Professor, but my journey lasted over 25 years: God exists.

One more thing: I am not religious, nor have I ever been, I can’t be, because I know God.

7th Knight.

By: Steve Nuwk

Steve Nuwk — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 03:13:43 +0000

I just love the way you Christians quote bible passages in your argument to the existence of a god. If I don’t believe in a god, then why would I respect a bible quote?
Wake up you religious fools! We evolved. The earth is 4.5 billion years old. Except it. The bible starts of false by claiming the entire universe was created in 144 hours only 12,000 years ago.
Let’s see 4.5 billion year old earth compared to a biblical 12, year old earth. I can look through a telescope and see galaxies 120,000,000 light years away! That is PROOF the bible is full of crap!
There are fossils on earth that are billions of years old. More PROOF!
Life can evolve to what it is today over “BILLIONS’ of years dummies.
Ray Comfart is just taking your money away from you. He’s a bussinessman. Trying to make money.
You are all fools! You believe in an invisable man in the sky like ancient humans did.
Wake TF UP!

By: Chris Etling

Chris Etling — Fri, 25 May 2007 19:04:48 +0000

I think I see the problem. In Ray’s opening remarks of the debate he didn’t mention the bible. However he had written this everywhere and it was probably announced that way. Ray’s backing I think was this angle. He proved without faith or the bible that God exists by using the if there was a painting there must be a painter. This is simple and profound at the same time. Yet sometimes I feel that it is so simple that we overlook it or we don’t put much weight into it. I won’t be one to say that Ray and Kirk have it all right. I won’t even begin to speculate who “won” the debate. I will say this though… I believe that the Gospel was clearly presented at this debate to millions of viewers. I also believe that we can use this debate as a springboard to proclaim the good news to people without being ashamed.

The source for my comment earlier should be located in the archives at http://www.wayofthemasterradio.com look for may 09 hour 2… it is a free download.